Armory Achievements are Completely Useless Now


2 years ago


We are receiving lots of feedback mostly about "unable to update my progress".

As you know, Patch 5.0.4 introduced "Account-wide" achievements. There are limited amount of account-wide achievements in-game.

In Armory all achievements are now account-wide.
That makes them completely useless for progression detection.

While we still can add boss kills, that would lead to many false results which is why we stopped using character achievements.

Instead of character achievements, we are currently using guild achievements as a temporary solution.

The downside of guild achievements is that they are only for final boss kills.

So we are only updating final bosses at the moment: Heroic Madness and Heroic Ragnaros (the good part is these bosses define your final rankings, so final rankings are unaffected).

Blizzard Web Team is working on providing alternative data and Peratryn promised to release it "very soon". We hope we will be able to do normal updates again in a couple of weeks.


Update:

Q & A (Read before posting comments)



Can you update my character achievements


No, the armory doesn't contain individual character achievements anymore

My guild killed Heroic Madness and it still wont update


Your guild still doesn't have "Heroic: Deathwing Guild Run" achievement.
Once there is the achievement, your progress will be updated.

10-man kill of Heroic Madness is missing


It is not possible to correctly identify 10- or 25-man kills now.
Anyone pretending to be doing it is doing a fake.
We are not going to include false results in our data.


25-man kill of Heroic Madness is missing


It is not possible to correctly identify 10- or 25-man kills now.
Anyone pretending to be doing it is doing a fake.
We are not going to include false results in our data.

Can you update progress/achievements manually


Unfortunately no.

Comments

  1. radu957
    Bubblë
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    Hello, What about peoples who didn't refreshed character data after 5.0.4?? Their Gearscore is higher because they still got relic/gun/thrown etc. And affects rankings of peoples who refreshed data and range slot is removed.
  2. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    Refreshing tens of millions of characters takes time.
    For the moment about 50% of characters have been refreshed.
  3. jonamelon
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    Hi another issue is the alt tracking system is broke. It says i have an alt caled evillemon wich i dont and theres no way to remove the alt from jonamelon. Can you please fix this problem with the alt tracking system so random alts dong get added. And delete account jonameon if u can or add change nickname mayb
  4. shaddowwolf
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    My guild killed heroic madness and it still wont update any ideas as to why or how i can fix this?
  5. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    According to Battle.net, your guild still doesn't have "Heroic: Deathwing Guild Run" achievement.
    Once there is the achievement, your progress will be updated.
  6. maggielhall
    Kaydene A Good Guild
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    Hi there, my guild has the achievement, and I got the H Madness kill, but my page isn't showing it.
  7. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    Only guild achievements can be used for progress detection.

    Character achievements can be shown now in the armory even if the characters didn't get the achievements.
  8. dudley
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    Why not as well use items for character progress? This is bad for those who haven't won anything, but is certainly more accurate than doing nothing on that end. On the bright side at least a few people get their kills counted.

    I like the guild progress being bound to the kill achievement, though. This way some "bad" guilds with a few good players who raid somewhere else don't get the credit for their boss kills. (Although it sucks for us as we're currently one man short for being a guild raid xD)
  9. GigulzCF
    Gigulz
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/guild/kelthuzad/Chosen_Few/achievement#15079:15087:a6125
    Shows we have the kill for 10m but for some reason it won't update properly here. 8(
  10. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    I see that your kill was added in your common progress.
    It is not possible to detect 10- or 25-man kills, therefore the kill was not added to these rankings.
  11. Adofar
    Adofar Infallible
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    What does "common progress" mean? We got our "Heroic: Deathwing Guild Run" achievement last night (in a 10 man raid) and it is showing on battle.net, but it has not updated here. It looks like we may be in the same situation as Chosen Few.
  12. beefybrez
    Skittulz Bear Retirement Home
    Rating: -1 [-][+]
    2 years ago
    Our guild has 8/8H listed for "Tier 13" but not under "Tier 13 (25)". Any reason why? http://us.battle.net/wow/en/guild/elune/Undying_Resolution/achievement#15079:15087:a6125 /// Here is the achievement.
  13. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    The reason was described in the original post.
    It is not possible to correctly identify 10- or 25-man kills now.
    Anyone pretending to be doing it is doing a fake.
    We are not going to include false results in our data.
  14. Belewski
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    Wow does not have an achievement difference between ten man and twenty five man. We wish to see our 25 man ranking. Is there a way to confirm or deny this ability?
  15. Ryo07
    Bergyon End Game Theory
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    Why Aren't My Druid And Rogue Heroic Spine And Madness Kills Showing My Guild Cleared Heroic Dragon Soul Back In April. On August 21 I Cleared It With My Druid It Does Not Show, And On September 4 I Cleared It With My Rogue.
  16. paoiga
    Paoiga Kitten Soup
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    your Character Achieves don't count towards your Guild Progress. Does your guild have "Guild Run-Heroic Deathwing"
  17. Ryo07
    Bergyon End Game Theory
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    Yes My Guild Does Have That As We Only Run As A Guild. The Original Post Stated The Site Was Going Off Of Guild Kills For Final Bosses And Not Character. I Was Asking Why My Characters Achievements Were Not Updating As My Guild Has Already Earned The Achievement, Since My Guild Already Has The Achievement My Character Achievement Should Update After I Down The Boss On Another Character. I've Killed Heroic Madness With Three Characters Only One Character Shows The Kill While My Other Two Are Not Updating.
  18. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    Please read the original post.

    The armory doesn't have info about character achievements anymore.
    It contains something called "account-wide" achievement info for all achievements, which is useless.

    That's why we don't update character achievements anymore.

    The fact that your guild has the guild achievements doesn't mean that your character has it.
  19. paoiga
    Paoiga Kitten Soup
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    2 years ago
    Kitten Soup, Drenden Realm downed Heroic DW and it won't update.
  20. paoiga
    Paoiga Kitten Soup
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    2 years ago
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/guild/drenden/Kitten_Soup/
  21. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    Your guild is missing achievement "Heroic: Deathwing Guild Run".
  22. Janvejle
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    Fifth Column have downed 6/8 bosses and I cant update it. Can you plz help us update that we have killed 6/8 bosses from 1st boss to Ship and only miss spine and deathwing in 10 man hc mode. Thx in advance :)
  23. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    We cannot do it.
    The reason was described in the original post.
  24. Thorf
    Thorf
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    My guild has an achievment but my character progress is still not updating. Why is that>
  25. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    The armory doesn't have info about character achievements anymore.
    It contains something called "account-wide" achievement info for all achievements, which is useless.

    That's why we don't update character achievements anymore.

    The fact that your guild has the guild achievements doesn't mean that your character has it.
  26. faminne
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    donc si je comprend bien tant que l on a pas tué folie hm en guilde les autres boss hm tué en guilde ne seront pas contabilisé , c est bien sa ? car on est a 7/8 hm en guilde et je voie juste 5/8 répondez juste par oui ou non merci
  27. faminne
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    oula vos traduction son special
  28. Ethamza
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    I am curious on armory my guild has the HC Dw kill: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/guild/executus/Vita_Nova/achievement#15079:15087:a6125
    and I was present in the raid group full 10m guild run.. Yet it is not reflected on my wowprogress. Why? I have read your posts and you say that if the guild don't have it it won't show but my guild DOES have it and still it doesn't show...

    A little help?
  29. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    Your guild is 8/8 Heroic: http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/executus/Vita+Nova
  30. graham1991
    Pyroflame
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    i am having the same issue does boss kills not show up on character profiles anymore me and my guild with me present have cleared all 8/8 hc the guild has the achi also firelands and it still doesnt show up on my personal progress have i missed a post explaining why members present in the guild run dont get there profile updated?
  31. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    Please read the original post on the top of the page.
  32. Ðuran
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    ok so how much longer do u expect till wowprogress is running correctly again i moved my hunter across from alli to horde and would like it to update to my current progress.
    cheers Ðuran

    http://www.wowprogress.com/character/us/frostmourne/Moktarded Old name and class
    http://www.wowprogress.com/character/us/frostmourne/%C3%90uran new name and class
  33. Ðuran
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    **race not class haha
  34. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    Once Battle.net API is fixed with character progress timestamps, we'll start updating it.
  35. Vincey
    Vinceypoo Enclave
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    What does that mean about 25 man progression about it being fake?
  36. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    10-man kills might be counted as 25-man because all characters from the same account share achievements.
    So at the moment there is no reliable way to say if the kill was in 25-man mode.
  37. Vincey
    Vinceypoo Enclave
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    I completely understand that, but I literally have 23 people in our guild that had received the achievement last night at the exact same time in our guild.

    Is there no way to acknowledge "oh look 20+ received this acheivement on this RECENT date"?

    Our "Final" rankings aren't accurate because they are compared to the plethora of 10 man guilds which are no where near as easy to manage.

    Appreciate the replies though. Thank you for clarifying.
  38. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    If players in a 10-man guild have enough alts they will get achievements on 20+ characters too.

    If you think that's unfair, please contact Blizzard Support.
  39. prothero
    Ashok War Academy
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    I understand that achievement is not to Madness, although our guild killed all bosses on the same day, but I do not understand why not all members of the guild are shown, we are 83 and appear only 57? I did update and looks so still
  40. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    Only level 85+ character are shown.
  41. prothero
    Ashok War Academy
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    Same situation about PVE score aswell btw
  42. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    Pvescore calculated using achievements, it's not updated at the moment.
  43. prothero
    Ashok War Academy
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    I registered the guild yesterday, and some members have pve score and others do not, and those which have not, are the most active.
    In what way PVE score was calculated for those who have it?
  44. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    That means for some members it was calculated before 5.0.4 patch.
    PvE scores going to be reset in MoP anyway.
  45. Estideeslol
    Estideeslol Afraid of Elementals
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    Our guild has the achievement for Heroic: Deathwing Guild Run and our progress has not updated. Thanks in advance..
  46. Estideeslol
    Estideeslol Afraid of Elementals
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    My apologies. I discovered my error. We do have credit for it. Ignore my first comment.
  47. Jeckl8
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    We killed Deathing with Guild Run (as you can see oun armory guild site) and wowprogress does not update.
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/guild/kelthuzad/Mutti%20ist%20die%20Beste/
  48. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    You should use "update guild progress" button
  49. Jeckl8
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    I did, but it hadn't worked, some hours later it finaly worked for the guild, but not for the chars
  50. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    That means there was delay in the Battle.net API or some communication error.

    About the chars: read the original post.
  51. Jeckl8
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    ok, understood it, that you update charakters only after guildsucces
  52. lanc3lot
    lancelot#2667
    Cerverus Order of Sargeras
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    8/8 an hour ago, but still not updated. U will see that it shows on armory. Anyway, hope it can be solved anytime soon ;)
  53. lanc3lot
    lancelot#2667
    Cerverus Order of Sargeras
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    It fixed for us,ty
  54. harrygrogan
    Hairygrogan Nexus
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    Our guild earned the achievement but it still wont update. Thanks!
  55. harrygrogan
    Hairygrogan Nexus
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    OK it updated just now thanks.
  56. låra
    Låra Consilium
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    You should check the armory better, because it still shows the boss that you killed and not the boss that another of your personnage killed.
  57. låra
    Låra Consilium
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    If you check my personnage Arsa from Medivh, he got the achievement showing that he killed madness heroic but if you look at the raid progession, you will see that he didn´t kill madness heroic
  58. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    I know that.
    The problem is when raid progression shows that the boss was killed. In this case we don't know when exactly the boss was killed because this character can be an alt.

    It's possible to build workarounds. For MoP I'm building very complicated workaround system.

    But workarounds don't work well in later stages of tiers. When 20% of guilds killed the final boss the data is spoiled.
  59. BulletHead
    Ràsthan Dangerous
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    2 years ago
    Hi guys, thanks for your great work but i tell my problem , i don't check positively all my characters loaded in this site, why? i have trouble all possibilities are possible but nothing are correct, pls correct this bug
  60. lanesrá
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    its still saying 5/8 HC for our guild yet its updated on on other sites
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/guild/alonsus/v%C3%A9ndetta/achievement#15079:15087:a6125
  61. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/alonsus/v%C3%A9ndetta
    Progress: 8/8 (H)
    Last Full Update: 51 minute ago

    It was updated before your comment.
    What's wrong with it?
  62. kamelioe
    Kamelioe Seraphym
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    the system you all have seems very inacurate i have killed heroic spine and madness a few times now and your site dosent even say that i have spine or madness great work wow progress
  63. Kernel
    kernel#2961
    2 years ago
    Please read the original post on the top of the page.

    If you are too lazy, tldr:
    Blizzard says to you: "sorry, you are too late".
  64. Kunther
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    Hello Kernel,

    Would it possible to track kills pulling the same data that blizzard uses on specific characters, at the bottom of the armory page? If we can type in character names that are involved in the kill, and that bar at the bottom updates, and players received loot, wouldn't you be able to award progression that way?
  65. Kunther
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 years ago
    At least until Blizzard provides a work around.




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