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Upgrading kills from 10-man to 25-man


5 months ago


The exploit suspensions are over, and 25-man guilds started to clear the instance in 25-man mode.
Those of them who previously killed bosses in 10-man, now will be able to compete in 25-man lists on WoWProgress.

The easiest way to check progress status of a guild is to look at the WoWProgress tooltips.

Examples:
H: Morchok (10,25) - means that Heroic Morchok was killed by the guild in both modes.

H: Morchok (10) - there was only 10-man kill so far.

H: Morchok (25) - there was only 25-man kill.

Please note that upgrade works only in one way (10->25), we won't be able to detect 25->10 case.

Some best practices to make sure that kills are added correctly:

1. 25-man guilds, please make sure that "25-man" checkbox was set in your guild profiles.

2. Collect all the loot so it appears in guild news feed. Do not DE automatically. A person should be designated to DE, and he should collect all the items that no one needed.

Good luck!

Comments

  1. the9tony
    一蕭遙一 墜星海
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    WE STILL LOOSE THE ONE HEROIC KILL ON PROGRESS,AND THE UPDATE TOOL STILL CAN NOT WORK.
  2. Kernel
    5 months ago
    Taiwanese realms not fully supported by the Battle.net API yet, so updates are based on guild news feed only.

    Your kills will be updated once the API includes 4.3 achievements.

    In meantime time please make sure that you loot all items from killed bosses.
  3. Marzs
    Marzs Wings of Aurora
    Rating: [-][+]
    4 months ago
    Our Guild which named Wings of Aurora, has killed "H: Madness of Deathwing in" 25man, not in 10man.

    And we are a 25man guild, i'm sure that "25-man" checkbox was set in our guild profiles.

    Please correct it .
  4. Larwood
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    And what does the 'r' mean?
  5. danielsamuels
    Posix Prophecy
    Rating: +3 [-][+]
    5 months ago
    It means they're currently recruiting.
  6. ObiChad
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    Is the tool still picking up LFR kills as normal mode kills?
  7. Kluian
    Kluian Gentlemens Club
    Rating: +3 [-][+]
    5 months ago
    Why is hagara worth so much? There are 25 man guilds who skipped yor'sahj the first week and killed hagara. Then guilds who killed prenerf yor'sahj are penalized because their hagara kill came at the end of the week. Tuesday hits with nerfed yor'sahj. Now you have guilds killing the nerfed version higher ranked over guilds killing the more difficult version because the hagara point decay was so large. This doesn't make much sense since hagara is one of the easier heroics.
  8. Bone
    Bone The Great Danes
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    5 months ago
    Nerfs will always happen, kinda hard do something about.

    But a question for Wowprogress...why make the merged 10/25 ranking?

    It's a foolish ranking specially for 25 man guilds.
  9. Matik
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    I think the separating 10/25 debate has already been done to death on this site towards the start of cata, don't think it's changing anytime soon
  10. Archidamos
    Lorac Bad Omen
    Rating: -1 [-][+]
    5 months ago
    I am afraid that this list is the only 100% accurate list regarding the amount of kills as total.
    WoW Armory doesn't allow for acurate allocation of a kill in 25 following kills in 10, and the oposite.
    From what i've seen the sites is looking for a certain number of people to determine the mode of the kill.
    5 people killing the boss for the first time are enough to get credit of a 10 people kill, while 12 killing the boss for the first time, are needed for credit on a 25 people kill.
    You kill a boss in 10, few times then you form a 25 and kill the same boss again. If in your team you don't have 12 people killing him for first time, due to the prior 10 people kills you will never get credit for the 25 people kill.
    The shared ranking is acurate, the other ranking is not, since it will miss kills that have hapened for the reasons mentioned above.
  11. Bone
    Bone The Great Danes
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    5 months ago
    Wasn't really my point. I just don't think it's fair to 25 man guilds ^^
  12. Lograr
    Lograr
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    Kluian is absolutely right. Yor'sajh pre-nerf was killed by 20 somethingish guilds whereas Hagara was killed by a few hundred. And those guilds who stayed behind and killed Yor'sajh prior to the nerf are ranked behind some guilds who skipped him, killed Hagara, and just rolled over nerf'sajh on Tuesday.
  13. NemesisX
    Nemesisx Soulriders of the felwen
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    For some reason the list is not updating anymore for us since December 8th.
    It still says we are on 4/8 normal while we are at 6/8 normal (and yes I did use the updating tool and choose players who won loot from the killed bosses)
    It seems the whole server (Shadowsong EU) stopped updating at December 8th :/
  14. Belgor
    Belgor Moral Decay
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    There is a bug on EU realm Sunstrider, where Aphorism is logged as having killed Morchock heroic on 25 man. They killed it with several 10 man groups arround the same time, which is probably what caused the error.

    http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/eu/sunstrider/rating.tier13_25

    We have confirmed it by asking their officers and proof is also here in the world of logs for the day:

    http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/197/

    As you can see 2 10 man groups killed it at 7/12 arround the same time and I think that is what confused the engine.

    Can the kill be corrected so it's showing as a 10 man kill on wowprogress for sunstrider?
  15. Belgor
    Belgor Moral Decay
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    The same goes for their kills on Morchock normal, Warlord Zon'ozz, Yor'sahj the unsleeping and hagara the stormbinder.

    They where all done with 2x10 man groups starting raid at the exact same time.

    This can be confirmed by looking at these logs:
    Team 1:
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/nt09sixjbeyxidab/sum/damageDone/
    Team 2:
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/okcejkj05ajk5cf2/sum/damageDone/
  16. deathswife
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    What about the 10man mode wowprogress update issues? Several of us in our core 10man team have contacted admin to get our progress updated and a week later were still waiting for a reply. We got a the kill with the same people again this week and again we haven't been given credit for it. We even have the world of logs for the night linked in the email. Were not getting credit because most of us got the kill through LFR at different times but we all got the kill in 10man mode together on the 8th of December. Can an admin please get back to us on this? Thanks
  17. Kernel
    5 months ago
    The rating is automated and guild progress is updated using the Armory data rather than combat logs and emails.
    Please follow the advice No 2 from the article.
  18. deathswife
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    But it says in the FAQ that if we have proof then you would credit us the kill. We have emailed the world of logs showing the 7 guild members that participated in the kill.
  19. 誅豬
    蛋沒了秀
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    H: Yor'sahj the Unsleeping ~Dec 15, 2011
    H: Warlord Zon'ozz ~Dec 15, 2011


    But we kill them on Dec 10.


    and Hagara the Stormbinder is still missing.

    http://tw.battle.net/wow/zh/character/%E5%AF%92%E5%86%B0%E7%9A%87%E5%86%A0/%E8%9B%8B%E6%B2%92%E4% BA%86%E7%A7%80/achievement#168:15068:a6111
  20. mirrorzoom
    Glidax
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    now that Chinese servers are only two week behind in Patch release, will you look into ways to integrate CN realms into wowprogress?

    Thanks
  21. Emrys
    伊夢羅莎 Divine Comedy
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    We killed Madness of Deathwing on Dec 3,
    but it shows Madness of Deathwing ~Dec 6, 2011

    And H: Warlord Zon'ozz actually be killed on Dec 12,
    but it shows H: Warlord Zon'ozz ~Dec 16, 2011.

    Hers is the link of our Prist and Paladin.
    http://tw.battle.net/wow/zh/character/%e5%b7%b4%e7%b4%8d%e6%9c%ad%e7%88%be/%e8%81%96%e5%a5%b3%e4% b9%8b%e6%b7%9a/simple

    http://tw.battle.net/wow/zh/character/%e5%b7%b4%e7%b4%8d%e6%9c%ad%e7%88%be/%e9%bb%91%e8%b2%93/sim ple

    Here is our logs
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/120145/

    Thank you
  22. Gondlem
    Rassoodocks Midwinter
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    As others have said, the point values for different bosses are off. This is something WoWProgress has always done well, no reason to mess that up now.

    Hagara is the easiest heroic aside from Morchok, and many guilds killed it week one. Yor'sahj on 25 man was very hard until the nerf though, and relatively few guilds killed it. A guild who killed Yor'sahj and Hagara week one should be ranked above a guild who killed Hagara week one and Yor'sahj week two (on 25 man), but this is not universally the case because of Hagara point decay across the first week.

    Hagara needs a lower point value for 25 man, as did Yor'sahj until they nerfed him. The point values need to be different across 10 and 25 man for specific bosses where the difficulty (indicated by kill rates, not subjectively) is very different across the two raid sizes.
  23. Woahz
    Seksixeny Group Therapy
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    The Hagara thing is pretty true..and sup with Yorsahj being insanely hard in 25 man?
  24. Fneelis
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    5 months ago
    A little off-topic, Exodus server transfered to get more gear, didn't you add a rule to ban guilds from WoWProgress who does that back in Firelands after the Stars and Envy incident?
  25. mboisso
    Cyriusblack Imminent
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    We killed the Spine on 25man for the first time yesterday. We collected all the loot. Didn't DE anything. It was a full guild run. Nevertheless, it doesn't show up! This is pretty frustrating!
  26. mboisso
    Cyriusblack Imminent
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    Oh, and here is the news feed, with 5 items looted from Spine, in addition to two Shadowy Gem received by one of our rogues.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/guild/area-52/Imminent/news?character=cyriusblack
  27. Tethane
    Tethane Forsaken Enlightenment
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    5 months ago
    Nothing is working, all our kills have been on 25 man, I have set the Guild to 25 AGAIN and it won't change. We never have anyone but Guild members in our raids and all DE loot is dissed by myself. I have spent hours trying to work out what the hell is going on and have finally given up. I have emailed before about issues and never got a response, there are no feedback forums and no one that seems to have a clue ever replies to these comments. Its totally frustrating.
  28. mboisso
    Cyriusblack Imminent
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    5 months ago
    I totally agree with that. wowprogress is definitely broken at the moment. The item feed scanner isn't even working.
  29. Neraine
    Rating: [-][+]
    5 months ago
    I don't understand why it lists Iniquitas-US-Scarlet Crusade as having killed warmaster blackhorn as a 10 man kill? It was a full 25-man guild run, no pugs.
  30. stevietv
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    5 months ago
    Hi, Our guild, Vice Versa on Azuremyst-EU has completed three of the acheivments in DS (Holding Hands, Ping Pong Champion and Minutes to Midnight) yet none of these show up on our page ( http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/azuremyst/Vice+Versa ) no matter how many updates we push. Any advice?
  31. Tethane
    Tethane Forsaken Enlightenment
    Rating: [-][+]
    4 months ago
    I have even now gone through all screenshots/EPGP loot awards and logs to use the exact players from each run that have got loot (for every single fight) and its still only recognising 3 or 4 people for each + all the dates for the kills that are listed are incorrect. Perhaps a time scale for fixing?
  32. Rhapsødy
    Rhapsødy Stressfrei
    Rating: [-][+]
    3 months ago
    Same problem here, can't detect Ultraxion kill 01/08/12, used epgp log.
  33. Purefaith
    Purefaith Seek and Destroy
    Rating: [-][+]
    3 months ago
    Having the same issue here. Although now as far along as most posting here we (Seek and Destroy on Bleeding Hollow - US did 4/8 on DS last night with a full guild run. I did the updating and know I put in all the players in attendance and those who received gear. Armory already shows the updates to gear and the Guild News feed shows the kills. Am I just not holding my mouth right, doing something wrong or is it broken?
  34. Purefaith
    Purefaith Seek and Destroy
    Rating: [-][+]
    3 months ago
    Sorry forgot to add the Guild News feed link

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/guild/bleeding-hollow/Seek%20and%20Destroy/news
  35. Suyn
    Suyn
    Rating: [-][+]
    3 months ago
    Problem with the Ten Man List we had 7/8 two days ago on our Ten Tier 13 which we did. When we updated our 25 Tier 13 to show our Deathwing Kill it removed our first 3 Kills off our Ten Tier 13. We should have 8/8 out of 25 and 7/8 out of 10 Tier 13. Kind of frustrating to have our first three bosses kills removed off our tens.
  36. Revolt
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    3 months ago
    So when are you going to fix the 10M rankings since Crimson Blade is the rightful #1 in the US. Didn't know any 25m guild could just make a new guild and leapfrog everyone else in 10m.
  37. Collins311
    Taurenicus Giggity
    Rating: [-][+]
    3 months ago
    I'm seeing where 2 10 mans from the same guild down a Heroic boss, then get credit for a 25 man kill. Which completely messes up server rankings and pretty much makes the website a huge fail. If people can "game" the rankings then what's the point of rankings and this website in general?
  38. Glok
    Glokki Crimson Blade
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Does Kernel even maintain this site anymore??

    Emailed a few times over 2 weeks and not a single reply.
  39. Revolt
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Myself and others from my guild also sent e-mails. No replies either.
  40. Meldorkan
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 months ago
    =>WHY It does not work as expected No first kill => no event entry in the wow armory for each player => NO RATING AS GUILD KILL.


    Example 2:
    6 player had their FIRST KILL made before
    4 player had their first kill on this evening.
    => 4 player have first kill => 4 player have event entry in the wow armory with same date => NO RATING AS GUILD KILL.

    Example 3:
    4 player had their FIRST KILL made before
    6 player had their first kill on this evening.
    => 6 player have first kill => 6 player have event entry in the wow armory with same date=> RATING AS GUILD KILL.


    This means: To get the kill properly counted YOUR FIRST KILL MUST BE IN A GUILD GROUP.
    (Guild group means: Sufficant number of people for wowprogress to accept that kill)

    Again this is not an issue of wowprogress but an issue with the wow armory no longer showing up further kills with their date, after the first kill happend.
    I have no idea how any site can "fix" this, if wow does not change the armory activity feed.

    Sry for wall of post - hope makes things more clear
  41. Meldorkan
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 months ago
    WHY It does not work as expected

    As most of you, we also suffer from "not-properly detected kills".
    Basically it seems to come down to a change in the wow armory activity feed.

    Explaination:
    In the past, any boss kill was listed as an event in the wow armory activity feed, together with the date.
    So EACH TIME a boss was killed, there was an entry like "3 x killed xyz on a.b.c"

    For bosses in the recent T13 DS raid instance, this NO LONGER happens.
    Only the FIRST TIME a boss is killed creates such an entry.

    (Note: Strange though - the new T13 PvP Boss still creates an activity feed entry each time you kill him. You can check this yourself in you wow armory activity feed.)


    Now given a 10man guild group kills Spine on monday. (applies also to 25 man raids, of cause)

    Example 1:
    10 player had their FIRST KILL made before, outside a guildgroup
    => No first kill => no event entry in the wow armory for each player => NO RATING AS GUILD KILL.


    Example 2:
    6 player had their FIRST KILL made before
    4 player had their first kill on this evening.
    => 4 player have first kill => 4 player have event entry in the wow armory with same date => NO RATING AS GUILD KILL.

    Example 3:
    4 player had their FIRST KILL made before
    6 player had their first kill on this evening.
    => 6 player have first kill => 6 player have event entry in the wow armory with same date=> RATING AS GUILD KILL.


    This means: To get the kill properly counted YOUR FIRST KILL MUST BE IN A GUILD GROUP.
    (Guild group means: Sufficant number of people for wowprogress to accept that kill)

    Again this is not an issue of wowprogress but an issue with the wow armory no longer showing up further kills with their date, after the first kill happend.
    I have no idea how any site can "fix" this, if wow does not change the armory activity feed.

    Sry for wall of post - hope makes things more clear
  42. Revolt
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Well one guild got fixed, one more to go. (Bingo Break)
  43. rrrahmet
    Bortecine Cosmos
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 months ago
    My guild progress and my personal progress dont update. How can we do it?
  44. sp00n
    Surprise Anathema
    Rating: [-][+]
    1 month ago
    My guild shows up with a (10) behind its name, although it is set to "25man only" in the settings and we have killed almost all bosses in 25man.
    The only exception is Madness of Deathwing heroic, which due to a crazy member situation during progress allowed our 10man group to kill it before our regular 25man raid.
    We have now killed it in 25man as well (4 days later), we also have the achievement and the correct 25man rank, but we still show up with a (10) behind our guild name. Not even (25/10), no, it seems we're treated as a 10man only guild, which we certainly aren't.

    Is there any way around this?


    http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/eu/wrathbringer/rating.tier13_25
    http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/wrathbringer/Anathema/rating.tier13_25




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