Amount of Pulls on WoWProgress!


Kernel 11 years ago


WoWProgress is now tracking amount of pulls on different bosses for all guilds and characters!
1. Go to guild page.
2. Progression table contains new column: Pulls.
3. Click "+show".

It will show raid setup including:
- characters that killed the boss
- replaced characters that didn't participated in the first kill
- amount of pulls for each character!



Here is some info about amount of pulls that did the top guilds before killing heroic bosses.

Will of the Emperor Heroic 25-man
1. Method 108 pulls
2. Envy 46 pulls
3. vodka 76 pulls
4. Blood Legion 107 pulls

Grand Empress Shek'zeer Heroic 25-man
1. Blood Legion 85 pulls
2. Method 156 pulls
3. Wraith 109 pulls
4. vodka 125 pulls

Will of the Emperor Heroic 10-man
1. DREAM Paragon 19 pulls
2. КрашТест 60 pulls
3. solid line 58 pulls
4. Die Hordlinge 59 pulls

Grand Empress Shek'zeer Heroic 10-man
1. DREAM Paragon 142 pulls
2. Freak Me Out 111
3. КрашТест 147 pulls

Note: no all guilds have been updated yet. If you see the info is missing, press the "Update Guild Progress" button.


Update:
As the data has been removed from the API by Blizzard, we had to disable the feature now.
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Comments

  1. DartMaul
    DartMaul#2422
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    This is the most brilliant and useful idea ever!
    Thank you very much!
    Reply
  2. Mihir
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Great feature, thanks! Any way you could add some kind of overview page per boss to see who has the best performance pulls-wise on a specific boss?
    Reply
  3. Helltiger
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    These data seems to be inaccurate. Maybe is sums all pulls in nHC and HC together?
    Reply
  4. Kernel
    11 years ago
    If you want it fixed, you should give me more info (boss names, character names).
    Reply
  5. oraculum
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Does this stop tracking "pulls" after you get a boss kill?
    Reply
  6. Kernel
    11 years ago
    Yes, it should.
    Reply
  7. Rowiin
    fleurfred#1582
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    2 years ago
    but what if I want to see how many pulls it took them before they got a kill?
    Reply
  8. Gondlem
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Some of this information is defintiely inaccurate. For example, for Will of the Emperor some people in my guild are counted as having 92-93 pulls, but we killed that biss in one night of attempts, about 30-40 at most. Also, there are people who were in for every attempt before we killed it that have less than the full number. Definitely not correct, both in terms of numbers and player by player breakdown.

    Some other bosses seem accurate though so it's definitely a bug with specific encounters.
    Reply
  9. Kernel
    11 years ago
    Thanks, should be fixed by now.
    Let me know if there are other bosses with incorrect info.
    Reply
  10. Mevrian
    Rating: +3 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    What about if you don't want all your pulls displayed? How do you turn it off?
    Reply
  11. Eternity
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    As i guess it uses armory API to gain those "hidden" statistics, i don't think it can be turned off.
    Reply
  12. alykii
    Alykii#1736
    Alykkii Masochistic Tendencies
    Rating: -3 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Are you now factoring in the amount of pulls in the ranking scores? For example in a given week:
    Guild A goes in on Tuesday and kills a boss in 30 pulls
    Guild B goes in on Wednesday and kills the same boss in 25 pulls

    As it is now, Guild A gets more points for killing the boss "sooner" and is ahead of guild B. Guild B is at a disadvantage because they raid on wednesday instead of tuesday. Factoring the amount of pulls would be a more accurate/even way of ranking (in addition to when a boss was killed).

    Great feature

    /cheers
    Reply
  13. Zakalwe
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Should just take it all the way to its logical conclusion and make a ranking that only takes into account number of pulls, not time (or day or week) of kill.
    Reply
  14. Stingray
    Stingray Angry
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Not sure if you're serious, but you'd still have to take lockout (week #) into account since everyone has more gear (and boss nerfs) as each week goes by.
    Reply
  15. Vulgrym
    Vulgrym#1355
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    While it's fun to think about (I also raid in a guild that has a limited schedule), you can't completely discount that earlier kills are accomplished at lower gear levels and with less proliferation of information.

    Still, I love this feature.
    Reply
  16. Cybnext
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Definitely noticing some bugs for some guilds on my realm (unless they're only publishing a few of their attempts on WoL. (WP is showing 29 pulls and WoL is showing 10).
    Reply
  17. dgdr1991
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Is there any way we can have this feature for bosses a guild has not killed?

    For example, we've been wiping on the first boss of HoF, and I'd like to know how many times we've wiped.

    Great feature by the way :D
    Reply
  18. Qroth
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    You could just install an addon that tracks it, such as Deadly Boss Mods.
    Reply
  19. Helltiger
    Rating: -1 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Stone Kings HC we are counted as having 5 pulls, but we killed them in about 2-3 pulls.

    @alykii Its a different if you have to find a taktik for the boss or you have already 3-4 videos from the top guilds to adept. It would be really hard to calculate these fairly.
    Reply
  20. alykii
    Alykii#1736
    Alykkii Masochistic Tendencies
    Rating: -1 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    I meant within the same week a boss goes down, more points should go to the guild that pulled fewer attempts rather than tuesday vs wednesday.

    Of course the further away from when the raid is unlocked should also be taken in to account. The guild that killed Grand Empress 3 weeks ago should still be higher than the guild that killed it yesterday.
    Reply
  21. Kyok
    KoyotGaming#2719
    Rating: +2 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    I want to hide this feature. Is this possible?
    Reply
  22. Saithe
    Rating: +2 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    This "Feature" is actually pretty annoying since it captures people who have joined as F&F or as apps wipes from previous guilds also even when they're not on the active raid roster.
    Reply
  23. Kathell
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Intersting feature, but i didn't like it for 1 reason. I pulled the Spirit Kings heroic several times reseting it to avoid Meng or the caster boss. The pull counter doesn't consider a real pull.
    Reply
  24. Shaerlyn
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    An overview would be awesome. Maybe in the boss overview. The number listed there could be the most comon pull count for a kill in the guild for example. You will never get this overview accurate, but it could be a first view so you don't have do look it up in every guild
    Reply
  25. Draigars
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Very interesting feature. Shouldn't be more than another funny statistic though, no need of any ranking based upon it here (too many biases: gear, strats, context, etc.).
    Reply
  26. Woodgnome
    Woodgnome#2314
    Kregan Classic Refugees
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    How's this data pulled?

    I'm already inspired to make something similar to track progress on my own realm, but I don't see any pulls/wipes/deaths to boss(es) defined in the Blizzard API - hence my question.
    Reply
  27. oraculum
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    So far this is one of the most favorite features from WoWprogress and I too am super curious about how this was done.
    Reply
  28. Vaxum
    Vaxum#1526
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    I also would like to understand where this data is coming from. For a lot of evenings we have multiple people streaming World of Logs logs, to capture data on fights where there is phasing - is this going to have any effect on the WoWProgress pull count #s for our kills?
    Reply
  29. chey
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    /quote by "Gobuchul": "Should just take it all the way to its logical conclusion and make a ranking that only takes into account number of pulls, not time (or day or week) of kill."


    This!!

    If pull-only rankings aren't possible (that's what I expect..), then it would at least be nice to have some pull-rankings in addition to the actual ones.
    Reply
  30. ludey
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    It would be interesting to see, per encounter, a histogram / distribution of number attempts before kill. For me, looking at such graphs would be an indicator of expected encounter difficulty.
    Reply
  31. hurricup
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    There is on mmochampion. Relative T14 boss difficulties.
    Reply
  32. ludey
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    tyvm
    Reply
  33. Fallensnow
    Zenyatta#1775
    Zenyattå Alternal Kingdom
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Something tells me this won't be as keen-o as people think it is. When your guild is struggling because some key players left for whatever reason, you haven't had a chance to replace them yet and your pull count is then higher, how many people will want to join a guild that has 100 pulls on something when another guild that didn't lose anyone has 75 or 50? I can see this killing guilds down the road.
    Reply
  34. Philoo
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    don't you want to also attract people who want to wipe less, with your low pull-count? double-edged, etc.. FAIR
    Reply
  35. Philoo
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Suggestion: ask for a manifest of the roster for each raid/guild.
    It could be automatically generated, or manually edited by the admins of the respective raids.

    And it would solve the problem of the "friends & family" wipes being added to the total.
    Reply
  36. Abbatron
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Love this, thank you!
    Reply
  37. oraculum
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    I had an additional question.
    We are a 25man guild but does normal progression bosses in 10man after our 25man week wraps up. In the case of Garalon, we got a 10man kill after several 10 and 25man attempts. When the guild returns for a 25man kill, how will that track/update?
    Reply
  38. Xiie
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    How do you get this info?

    For my guild a lot of extra people are appearing that were never in the raid group. For example, my guild's Will of the Emperor kill (http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/xavius/GameSense) only has 7 people who were actually in the raid. The 8th person (showing up as 'not killed') wasn't even in that raid.

    Also, is it intentionally not including people who left the guild?
    Reply
  39. Mevi
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Fine that more features get added on here, but I'd rather see the bugs fixed with the sdisplay of wrong main/alt chars! I'm still showing up as an alt from my boyfriend (who of course has his ver own account!), all my alts are also shown as his alts. Emailed to wowprogress a while ago, no reaction. Please clear that up, my chars are my chars on my account and not on anyone else's!
    Reply
  40. tripzplash
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    can we pls try to fix achievement players some players have 2-11 chars on the lists and i know a level 85 cant do all the level 90 but hes still ranked high becouse it is bugget
    Reply
  41. Zuper
    Rating: -2 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Was about time , those are the best guilds not the ones who play 24/7 and make 500 wipes and get world first for having no life !
    Reply
  42. Zuper
    Rating: -1 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    And this is also something blizzard should do in the game .
    Reply
  43. Drayo
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Any plan on adding this feature for TES ?
    Reply
  44. mortalitasx
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    How many members do you need for your guild to get credit in 10 M?
    Reply
  45. RegwintheMage
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    WTB data center info in realm listings - really important for for lfg people to consider latency of any new realm.
    Reply
  46. Schrom
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    mh so what I see out of this, there is a guild shown having downed 2 Bosses before us, so they are in front of us in progression, but actually there where only 3 players who had joined another raid to down those bosses.
    so even tho only 3 players of a guild kill a boss it gets counted as guildkill. why? :(
    Reply
  47. Rust
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    The Pulls counter has issues w/ players transferring in that are better progressed. See my current guild - Hahyestwo transferred in with H Elegon and H Gara'jal already downed, so pulls weren't counted for our guild but instead based on his pull count. I guess there's no easy way for you to distinguish though.
    Reply
  48. Peilo
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Is Kernel still around here? ... can anybody tell him to check and correct the Diablo3 HC Paragon ladder? The #15 should be #13.
    Reply
  49. greydust
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Is this feature still functions correctly? It is not tracking any pulls in ToES and not correct for guilds that downed bosses after 5.1.
    For example, this guild's Grand Empress Shek'zeer's data is incorrect:
    http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/tw/nightsong/Asgard
    I tracked other boss kills after 5.1 and it seems not to gather proper data after a specific time.
    Reply
  50. SmokeHead
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Ye it haven't updated our 5 new boss kill's pulls from Monday and Tuesday either.

    This function is very nice but doesn't seem to work correctly atm?
    Reply
  51. Shadowseek
    Shadowseek#1673
    Rating: +2 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/248538-pulls-statistic-in-characters-feed/

    Might explain why it isn't updating. Wasn't meant to be public info.
    Reply
  52. Stingray
    Stingray Angry
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Was fun while it lasted.
    Reply
  53. Norsemang
    Norsemang#1335
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    Wow, way to ruin a great feature Blizztard
    Reply
  54. Daltin
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    It... Wasn't a feature? That's why it was hidden.

    It was hidden API for their own research. They used that information for multitude of reasons. Balancing, nerfing, finding legitimate brick walls.
    Reply
  55. Philoo
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    mostly this served as proof that WoWProgress is still on top of its sh**, and remains the best tool to browse guilds.
    Reply
  56. Honalee
    Rating: 0 [-][+]
    11 years ago
    This is disappointing... I found this feature handy and useful for a number of different reasons... I was also a good way to let your raid team they were still great raiders on a raid night or two a week and still competitive progression wise with teams that raid 3-5 nights a week...
    Reply
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