Introducing Raid Teams


2 months ago


So far WoWProgress only did one team per guild rankings even though many guilds contain multiple raiding teams that raid separately.

And now you can create Raid Teams on WoWProgress!

- each team participates in progress rankings
- separated team profiles with separated recruitment!
- making independent cross-guild teams is possible!

Please read the full post carefully if you want to join a raid team or create one.

- Important! To avoid progress duplication, joining a raid team equals leaving guild regarding contributing to the guild progress. Team's progress is entirely independent, and only players that didn't enter any team can participate in the guild's progression (more details below)

- raid team may have a parent guild: in this case, officers of the parent guild are able to move their players in and out of child teams quickly

- a parent guild is not necessary, anyone can create a team and invite friends from different guilds to raid and progress together

- raid team may consist unlimited amount of characters, up to 30 unique players (the limit is discussable, if you think you need more people, please let us know)

- boss kill requires at least 11 players from the same team to be counted

- a character can be a part of only one raid team


What you must know if you are going to join a raid team:

- if you are a core raider of your guild, you must not join any raid team unless the officers have decided that core progress is going to be in the separated raid team

- it is possible to leave your team any time


What you must know if you are a guild officer/leader:

- plan your guild structure carefully, once joining a raid team, a player won't contribute to the core guild progress
- if things are messy, the guild master will be able to move raid progress between teams or between a team and its parent guild, it will be possible to remove team as well if the team belongs to the guild
- you wouldn't be able to control raid teams that don't belong to your guild even if members of your guild joined them

Open questions:
- should we only have Guilds & Teams combined Rankings, or there should also be Guilds-only Rankings?

We plan to enable this feature in the middle of this week when Uldir Raid progression starts.
At the moment you can create your raid team.

Please let us know what do you think about Raid Teams.

Comments

  1. Rolltide20
    Beastmode123#1957
    Rating: +2 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    The only thing I am unsure about is if every raid team within a guild decided to make a team, how would one search up the main guild where they are all located? Would there be a new bracket/category that those guilds would be listed in?
  2. Kernel
    2 months ago
    Yeah that could be issue, looks like it's better to add Guilds-only Rankings.
  3. Rolltide20
    Beastmode123#1957
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    I mean I wouldn't personally mind there being a separate category for guilds like us for people to search up. It would separate us from the rest of the guilds in the given event some players may want to join Multi Team Guilds, and they can just click on the Multi Team Category and check out the selection of guilds there.
  4. Kernel
    2 months ago
    We could include combined name / in the list. Would that make sense?
  5. Rolltide20
    Beastmode123#1957
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Have the guild name be next to the team name on the rankings? If thats what you're saying.
  6. Kernel
    2 months ago
    Yes, exactly.
  7. Rolltide20
    Beastmode123#1957
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Hmm, I could see that working, but then how what would the guild page look like if you clicked the main guilds page? Wouldn't it just show the progress of the highest team at that point? Since the raid team is listed in the rankings and the guild would be too.
  8. Rolltide20
    Beastmode123#1957
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Just my own opinion, having an individual category for players to search for guilds like us would definitely be beneficial and easier to track instead of hoping to come one of those guilds on the rankings.
  9. Kernel
    2 months ago
    So you would like to see separated rankings: one for Guilds and another one for Guilds&Team?
  10. Rolltide20
    Beastmode123#1957
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Yes, on the guild and team page, the main guild doesn't necessarily need to have a rank, more or less just the name of the guild showing on the category for people to click on and browse from there, then players can search up the raid teams and check out their progression/schedules. But the raid teams can still be listed on wowprogress ranks with the other guilds, if that makes any sense.
  11. Kernel
    2 months ago
    Guild page could show an overview of nested teams with progress and core guild progress too.
  12. Wizardries
    Wizardries#11799
    Wizärdries Rigged
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    So from my understanding, if a Guild has no casual players, just raiders, and every raider is put on a team, then the Guild itself would have no progress?
  13. Kernel
    2 months ago
    It is correct, though on guild page we would show progress of internal raid teams.
  14. Wizardries
    Wizardries#11799
    Wizärdries Rigged
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    So how would Guild rankings work exactly? Because if one guild decides to create their teams here, they would have no progress and would rank very low. Whereas if a Guild doesn't create teams here, they would still have an overall guild rank.
  15. Kernel
    2 months ago
    If a guild creates a team, they'll be presented in the rankings by the team (if other people that are not in the team don't raid).
  16. kaligaran
    Kaligaran Crossbones
    Rating: +5 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Why would we ever want to do that then? Shouldn't the guild progress be based on it's most progressed team?
  17. Wizardries
    Wizardries#11799
    Wizärdries Rigged
    Rating: +7 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    That's exactly how I feel, too. Seems more beneficial to not opt into this right now as the guilds who don't will still progress as a whole.
  18. Sieara
    Sieara#1968
    Siearalol Legend
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    I think if you had teams not getting any meaningful recognition anyways, the teams won't matter. It will just be an easier way to sort through them. I set one up for each of my guilds to see how it works and left the weekday teams to their own progression so the guild isn't left behind.
  19. Sieara
    Sieara#1968
    Siearalol Legend
    Rating: +4 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Alright, so as someone who runs a recruiting discord, this is actually something people have been wanting for awhile. I know there aren't a ton of guilds with multiple teams so at least it's not of major concern, but those who are completing content (like 11/11M) want to know their ranks, especially since I don't allow posts without ranks within the top channels (for obvious reasons).

    So this is what I personally would like to see:

    - World, Region & Realm Rankings for the raid teams within a guild (this basically only matters in Mythic).

    - If a guild has multiple teams in the rankings for it to look something like Guild Name [Team] to ensure that the team itself gets recognition as well (this is very valuable for recruitment reasons).

    - Raid teams outside of guilds to not have rankings (is this for the cross realm communities?) as it will confuse people looking for guilds. Cross realm communities are unaffected by rankings as well since they have never had them and don't operate the same way most guilds do.

    - Removal of rankings or adjusted rankings for guilds that faction/realm transfer or rename. I stopped using wowprogress rankings since they were way off, making guilds look worse than they should have.

    - The other issue that will occur from allowing this is recruitment needs for different groups. Opening the team rank can of worms is going to make people want to adjust recruitment needs by group. Main groups being the group that have the highest progression outside of listed teams and the teams themselves will likely want to adjust those needs as the tiers progress/change.

    Based on what you're saying and other comments though, it seems like guilds will need to make sure their best raid team stays without a team in order for the guild to get a ranking currently and any additional teams need to be separated in order for them to record their personal progression.

    For example, in Synthesis we have a weekday and weekend team. Our weekday team would need to remain teamless in order to stay in the top 100 rankings while our weekend team that has never had ranks anyways can make a team. Of course, I still would love to know how well our weekend team is doing overall, but I am not sure if that's something this is intended for or not.

    Maybe make it so all teams can have a rank with the highest ranking team’s progression showing to anyone viewing the guild instead or something? I’m not sure yet since I haven’t seen what you have implemented in action. I just know I don’t want our weekday team (or guild) losing out on progression if teams don’t show rankings where it matters (and it definitely matters for us).
  20. saphyron
    Saphyron#2533
    Saphirar Jane Doe
    Rating: [-][+]
    1 month ago
    I agree on most things except Cross-realm teams rankings.

    Just because we never have had them does not mean we don't want to see how we compare to regular guilds.
  21. Sieara
    Sieara#1968
    Siearalol Legend
    Rating: +4 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Testing this on my other guild, Synthesize, which also has two raid teams, and found out that the new Horde race (mag'har orc) is not being allowed to join a raid team because it's not being counted in the Horde faction.
  22. Sieara
    Sieara#1968
    Siearalol Legend
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Since I can't edit my post, they did fix it at some point. Thanks!
  23. kaligaran
    Kaligaran Crossbones
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Is there an option to have team(s) progression count toward the parent guild's progression?

    I like the feature and would use it for our 2 teams BUT only if the progression from each team counted toward the guild's progression like it does now without this feature.
  24. Sieara
    Sieara#1968
    Siearalol Legend
    Rating: +2 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    We're testing it out by having our weekday group without a team and our weekend one in a team (since they never technically get a rank anyways) and seeing how it looks. I like the concept but I am not sure they have it implemented in a meaningful way atm.
  25. kaligaran
    Kaligaran Crossbones
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Agreed. Since you're testing, if you remember please post up your findings!
  26. Sieara
    Sieara#1968
    Siearalol Legend
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    I've been posting what I can on the recruitment discord but I'll try and remember to come back here. I did notice that even though you can set recruitment for that team, the search doesn't pull teams up (at least not when I'm looking to see who is recruiting a specific class on my own realm).

    So currently the team search function is useless in a manner anyone looking for a guild is easily familiar with. Maybe there is a different way to search it, but I couldn't easily just jump to the realm and find it.
  27. Kernel
    2 months ago
    Teams or guilds included in the LFG search only if they have progress in the current tier.

    So you cannot really test it yet, but you'll be able in a couple of days.
  28. Kernel
    2 months ago
    About whether the guild progress should be based on it's most progressed team:
    1. Guild page will contain a list of teams with their progress.
    2. The team page will be linked to the parent guild page.
    3. In the rankings, there will be combined names [team name] / [guild name], so that people see what guild is it.
    2. There probably will be Guilds-only rankings.
  29. sudeki1337
    Sudeki Aspekt der Leere
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Will it be X-Realm?
  30. Kernel
    2 months ago
    It could be cross-realm, yes. But in WoW Mythic raids are limited to be within one connected realm.
  31. kaligaran
    Kaligaran Crossbones
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 months ago
    So when a user goes to the server rankings page, will teams be listed there? Do you have a mach up we can look at for an example?
    I'm sorry if you've already answered, I'm confused b/c I don't see why we'd want to do it if it's going to show the guild at 0/8.
  32. Kernel
    2 months ago
    Yes, teams should be listed in common rankings "Guilds & Teams".
    Probably we'll add also "Guilds-only" rankings.
  33. Kernel
    2 months ago
    If your guild has only one raiding team then it's probably not necessary to add teams to your guild.
  34. holypalaswe
    Holypalaswê Wiping As Intended
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 months ago
    So guilds could be able to hide their progress if they had half their core raiders join a raid team?
  35. Kernel
    2 months ago
    Guild master is able to transfer whole progress between his teams or his guild.
  36. Lyth
    Nyx#2709
    Xil Nox Terra
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 months ago
    How am I able to do this?
  37. Lyth
    Nyx#2709
    Xil Nox Terra
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Nvm, I wanted to transfer only their progreess, not all of it ^^ not possible to split it.
  38. Lyth
    Nyx#2709
    Xil Nox Terra
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 months ago
    My guild houses 2 raid teams, but seems like our HC team that we created team for on profile isn't updated, their progress is shown on guild page instead separate team page. Any info how to sort this?
  39. Kernel
    2 months ago
    Thanks, I'm going to look at it.
  40. Kernel
    2 months ago
    Should be fixed now. Please let me know if not.
  41. Sieara
    Sieara#1968
    Siearalol Legend
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Alright so the thing worked and ranked my weekend team but now we have a problem where I can't rename the team from weekend to Synthesis Weekend lol. I need to be able to edit the team name. = ) Can we get that fixed?
  42. Kernel
    2 months ago
    It will be possible soon!
  43. Sieara
    Sieara#1968
    Siearalol Legend
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Awesome. When the renaming thing is fixed, will it update the existing name or make it where it duplicates? I saw that this was an issue when any guild would rename or transfer, causing there to be ranking issues.

    Also if a team dies off and (not in my case, thinking more for others), is there an option to remove the team from both the guild and the wowprogress (or an option to disable the listing from being ranked in wowprogress in cases like that)
  44. Kernel
    2 months ago
    For the moment I think in this case leaders will be able to rename, transfer and delete teams at their will.
  45. Kaneki97
    shura#21957
    Yonko Mugiwara Pirates
    Rating: [-][+]
    1 month ago
    It seems like I can't delete our raid team. I am guildmaster for our guild(Mugiwara Pirates on Ravencrest(A)) and I have tried syncing my battle.net with wowprogress countless of times but it seems like I can't take control of the raid team, neither can any of my officers.

    Why I am asking is because our official guild page has been rolled back to 1/8 (NM) progress from 4/8 (M).
  46. Kaneki97
    shura#21957
    Yonko Mugiwara Pirates
    Rating: [-][+]
    1 month ago
    It got solved.
  47. Sieara
    Sieara#1968
    Siearalol Legend
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Oh you fixed it to show the guild. Even better ty!
  48. Xentropy
    Xentropy Heavens Fall
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    2 months ago
    "boss kill requires at least 11 players from the same team to be counted"

    Why is this? My guild raids with exactly 10 very often, and is cross-realm specifically so we can at least get to 10 at all. I was hoping this would let us include our regular cross-realmers in our rankings but this 11-player requirement makes it valueless for us. (I know heroic rankings mean nothing to most people, but I don't understand requiring 11 instead of 10 for this.)
  49. saphyron
    Saphyron#2533
    Saphirar Jane Doe
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 months ago
    As someone who co-runs a crossrealm guild I would love for you to lift the 30 unique players limit.

    While currently we haven't had all our members join the raid team yet, we do have 81 people in our Facebook Group. Thus when we hit the limit we would love to keep adding our members without having to kick other people.
  50. saphyron
    Saphyron#2533
    Saphirar Jane Doe
    Rating: [-][+]
    2 months ago
    Also can Raid Team Average Ilvl be a thing as well?
  51. Sieara
    Sieara#1968
    Siearalol Legend
    Rating: [-][+]
    1 month ago
    I am having a problem. So I see the transfer Progress and it says to select the old guild, but it won't show the old guild. So I can't get Synthesize guild/team to merge into Legend. All we did was rename it. Any suggestions on what I may have done incorrectly?
  52. Sieara
    Sieara#1968
    Siearalol Legend
    Rating: [-][+]
    1 month ago
    Okay so I unlinked the weekend team I have from Synthesize and I can't link it to Legend which is kind of annoying. I can't transfer progress from Synthesize either because it shows me as a profile admin not a Guild master since the guild already name changed and updated.

    I've now basically lost access to updating my weekend team as a part of the parent guild due to the rename.
  53. Warp10
    Rating: [-][+]
    1 month ago
    We had 2 raids in one guild. the progress oriented one joined a raid team and do the ranks but now guild raid
    which has far less bosses down would be tracked same like raid team and become ranked higher than the raid team.
    Can you help there?
  54. TheNuEra
    Justise21#1625
    Justtise Convert to Raid Galleon
    Rating: [-][+]
    1 month ago
    I am having an issue, i sent an invite request to my raid team but the time lapsed before being accepted but now when i go and send a new request i am getting a message "the team didn't accept your recent request". is there a way to fix this?
  55. jtrack3d
    Kurston Zion
    Rating: [-][+]
    1 month ago
    This sounds like a mess. I have two issues:

    1. If I created the two teams that I have in my guild, it would appear like all my raiders just "left guild", according to your description. Players joining/leaving guilds is an indicator of guild stability. I always look for this at larger guilds to see if they are stable.

    2. A Guilded raid team is currently progressed on a realm (connected). A non-guilded raid team may have no server affiliation. Technically neither are realm-affiliated unless all participants are realm-members.

    The Realm Ranking part is about to go haywire even if you add your guild prefix concept. I'm not sure you confirm participant's realm in even guild progress, but it should come into play even today.

    That is... You'd need 2 rankings lists...

    1. All Raid Team Ranking (all regional realms) - Any Team Name (Guild or no Guild) against each other ... one big list.

    2. Realm Ranking - Any Team (Guild or no Guild) where raid members are restricted to same connected realms (i.e. no x-realm help).
  56. jtrack3d
    Kurston Zion
    Rating: [-][+]
    1 month ago
    Also, our weekend team regularly held 45 members on their roster because part-time raiding was permitted. It isn't that large now, but when you have lots of people raiding 1/3 of the time, you need a lot of people.
  57. nukdukult
    Nuktoukour#2917
    Nukk Quintessence
    Rating: [-][+]
    1 month ago
    can a raid team have 2 parent guilds ?
  58. Sieara
    Sieara#1968
    Siearalol Legend
    Rating: +1 [-][+]
    1 month ago
    So I noticed my guild's raid progression rolled back from 4/8M to 3/8M when both our raid teams are 4/8M. = /
  59. Diase
    Diase#2753
    Asfiction Synergy
    Rating: [-][+]
    21 day ago
    When view more button for Guilds which looking for players? :D
  60. Defendar
    Defendar#1418
    Rating: [-][+]
    18 days ago
    What you should concentrate on is that you don't rate guilds that don't do raids at all before guilds that do. Even my guild shows we have have a boss down we don't have down at all but just one of our guildies pugged it somewhere.This needs to be sorted out somehow, very important.
  61. Alaenestra
    Vic Balanced
    Rating: [-][+]
    6 days ago
    Couldnt find a section on here or Discord as to where you can leave feedback about the site (would love if that was a thing)

    Anyway. I would LOVE if you guys can implement "Previously known as: Name" in the section where the name goes. A lot of people decline invites due to checking up your character and not seeing progress due to not being synced. A previously known as for name changes would be really great. Thanks!
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